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		<title>By: NoUniqueUserName</title>
		<link>http://khlo.co.uk/index.php/a-utopian-star-trek-society-making-economics-redundant#comment-3402</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 00:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I believe that society has two separate paths that it can take:

1 - Star Trek (TV series) - Everything is fine, things are taken care of, and civilization is advanced. Smart people create more smart people.

2 - Idiocracy (Movie) - Everyone is really stupid, people talk mostly in several versions of slang, with horrible accents, the &quot;average&quot; intelligence that currently exists will be that of a genius in the future.  Stupid people reproduce at an accelerated rate and smart people are breed-ed out of existence.

Here is a link / address to a page explaining the movie Idiocracy   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/&lt;/a&gt;

In my mind our future is going to be like this movie. Look around, people are getting dumber and dumber; all society does is promote stupidity, which continues to spread like wildfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I believe that society has two separate paths that it can take:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Star Trek (TV series) &#8211; Everything is fine, things are taken care of, and civilization is advanced. Smart people create more smart people.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; Idiocracy (Movie) &#8211; Everyone is really stupid, people talk mostly in several versions of slang, with horrible accents, the &quot;average&quot; intelligence that currently exists will be that of a genius in the future.  Stupid people reproduce at an accelerated rate and smart people are breed-ed out of existence.</p>
<p>Here is a link / address to a page explaining the movie Idiocracy   <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/</a></p>
<p>In my mind our future is going to be like this movie. Look around, people are getting dumber and dumber; all society does is promote stupidity, which continues to spread like wildfire.</p>
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		<title>By: AHN</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have to say I disagree with the idea that because you take away money you have to bring in bartering. My basis is me (although the world is not populated solely by me so in effect this may never happen), I have no problem with working hard on a farm or some construction site and to get no direct compensation in return for the effort I put in. If a society were to exist that had my belief that we should work for each other (the greater good) then Mr Baker would hand out his loafs until his flour ran out and Ms Hairdresser would give haircuts until the end of what she saw to be the end of her day. I enjoy working for a living and I know that a lot of people hate it because they&#039;re stuck doing something they don&#039;t want to do but in a utopian society everybody would be able to fill every role and for those that can&#039;t they would find a solution to what it is they don&#039;t want to do.

Most importantly in all this... People would need to realise that you can&#039;t just go on having big families; until we reach other planets like our own or we start terraforming then families need to get smaller otherwise Mr Baker would always run out before lunch time and most people would be going around in a shaggy beau font.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I have to say I disagree with the idea that because you take away money you have to bring in bartering. My basis is me (although the world is not populated solely by me so in effect this may never happen), I have no problem with working hard on a farm or some construction site and to get no direct compensation in return for the effort I put in. If a society were to exist that had my belief that we should work for each other (the greater good) then Mr Baker would hand out his loafs until his flour ran out and Ms Hairdresser would give haircuts until the end of what she saw to be the end of her day. I enjoy working for a living and I know that a lot of people hate it because they&#39;re stuck doing something they don&#39;t want to do but in a utopian society everybody would be able to fill every role and for those that can&#39;t they would find a solution to what it is they don&#39;t want to do.</p>
<p>Most importantly in all this&#8230; People would need to realise that you can&#39;t just go on having big families; until we reach other planets like our own or we start terraforming then families need to get smaller otherwise Mr Baker would always run out before lunch time and most people would be going around in a shaggy beau font.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe in the authoritarian system of the federation. I believe space travel and exploration will be individual. Greed and egocentric thinking are only natural and good. Separate the intelligent and long-term greed from the short-term and unintelligent greed. Knowledge often makes human good but people need something to believe in as a driving force in life and as a fellowship. Greed have forced my brain to develop more compassion for all life, it&#039;s intelligent greed and it have served me well over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe in the authoritarian system of the federation. I believe space travel and exploration will be individual. Greed and egocentric thinking are only natural and good. Separate the intelligent and long-term greed from the short-term and unintelligent greed. Knowledge often makes human good but people need something to believe in as a driving force in life and as a fellowship. Greed have forced my brain to develop more compassion for all life, it&#8217;s intelligent greed and it have served me well over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you completely. I believe that the system would work but people can&#039;t barter. They must do what they can to assist in society and society will help them back. People must feel the need to do a greater good and come together as a race.

Unfortunately we are not ready for this because people are still bickering about small things that occurred years ago to their heritage. We are only held back by ourselves from doing these great things and most people are still driven by their basic animal instincts.

Greed drives a lot of people currently, and we still have battles over land and beliefs. Once we begin accepting each other, then we will all be able to work successfully side by side. I believe we are getting closer to this eventual conclusion but are still far away from it. Unless of course some dramatic event occurs (i.e. we are forced to come together as a race against some outside entity).

Only then will the drive of the human race show itself and we&#039;ll be able to accomplish a lot more than we have already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you completely. I believe that the system would work but people can&#8217;t barter. They must do what they can to assist in society and society will help them back. People must feel the need to do a greater good and come together as a race.</p>
<p>Unfortunately we are not ready for this because people are still bickering about small things that occurred years ago to their heritage. We are only held back by ourselves from doing these great things and most people are still driven by their basic animal instincts.</p>
<p>Greed drives a lot of people currently, and we still have battles over land and beliefs. Once we begin accepting each other, then we will all be able to work successfully side by side. I believe we are getting closer to this eventual conclusion but are still far away from it. Unless of course some dramatic event occurs (i.e. we are forced to come together as a race against some outside entity).</p>
<p>Only then will the drive of the human race show itself and we&#8217;ll be able to accomplish a lot more than we have already.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add, I like this conversation and would like to add to it.

Someone said &quot;people wouldn&#039;t be interested in &quot;menial jobs&quot;.  I would like to add, you&#039;re probably right.  But, only in some ways.  That is, if you assume that society and technology looks like it does today.  Which, if you have Replicators, chances are technological advances would be relevant with these tasks.

In other words, who says menial jobs will be done by humans?  Secondly, humans may not have to do menial jobs all the time, if they follow some of the basic rules and laws that would apply to that particular society.  Most of the tasks that most humans do now, would be removed by technology, so then we&#039;d be up to higher purpose of life.  So, the only real value to life at that point would be to work at something you like to do, for sake of being productive.  Imagine if you had all day to work on yourself, you probably wouldn&#039;t turn to drugs to just escape reality, because, reality would actually be very cool.  You&#039;re fed, you have a place to sleep, so what&#039;s next.  The domino effect.

Though, we could end up with unproductive people, but that would ethical dilemma for very few.  If you don&#039;t have to work all day at a menial job, etc, and you could own a ten thousand dollar item, without having to fork over ten thousand dollars, there no desire to steal, etc.  You have everything you need.  We could, feasibly spend more time raising a child to want and desire to be a part of Life, even the federation to travel the stars?  In other words, there would be nothing to bitch about and opportunity would always be there for everyone.

However, let&#039;s not forget the idea of being able to &quot;qualify&quot; for certain jobs as well.  Then, you&#039;d have a bit of caste system, but not really, because you still can have xxx number of people to qualify for jobs.  As far as fixing things and maintaining all this wonderful technology, there is solution for that as well.  The idea being...

If the replicator produces all the things you desire, you&#039;re going to want to fix it.  Everyone could qualify for that job at different levels.  Some people would qualify for diagnostics, some at maintenance and others at engineering, etc.  If it is the source of ones ability to have things that we normally wouldn&#039;t have access to, you&#039;re gonna want to fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add, I like this conversation and would like to add to it.</p>
<p>Someone said &#8220;people wouldn&#8217;t be interested in &#8220;menial jobs&#8221;.  I would like to add, you&#8217;re probably right.  But, only in some ways.  That is, if you assume that society and technology looks like it does today.  Which, if you have Replicators, chances are technological advances would be relevant with these tasks.</p>
<p>In other words, who says menial jobs will be done by humans?  Secondly, humans may not have to do menial jobs all the time, if they follow some of the basic rules and laws that would apply to that particular society.  Most of the tasks that most humans do now, would be removed by technology, so then we&#8217;d be up to higher purpose of life.  So, the only real value to life at that point would be to work at something you like to do, for sake of being productive.  Imagine if you had all day to work on yourself, you probably wouldn&#8217;t turn to drugs to just escape reality, because, reality would actually be very cool.  You&#8217;re fed, you have a place to sleep, so what&#8217;s next.  The domino effect.</p>
<p>Though, we could end up with unproductive people, but that would ethical dilemma for very few.  If you don&#8217;t have to work all day at a menial job, etc, and you could own a ten thousand dollar item, without having to fork over ten thousand dollars, there no desire to steal, etc.  You have everything you need.  We could, feasibly spend more time raising a child to want and desire to be a part of Life, even the federation to travel the stars?  In other words, there would be nothing to bitch about and opportunity would always be there for everyone.</p>
<p>However, let&#8217;s not forget the idea of being able to &#8220;qualify&#8221; for certain jobs as well.  Then, you&#8217;d have a bit of caste system, but not really, because you still can have xxx number of people to qualify for jobs.  As far as fixing things and maintaining all this wonderful technology, there is solution for that as well.  The idea being&#8230;</p>
<p>If the replicator produces all the things you desire, you&#8217;re going to want to fix it.  Everyone could qualify for that job at different levels.  Some people would qualify for diagnostics, some at maintenance and others at engineering, etc.  If it is the source of ones ability to have things that we normally wouldn&#8217;t have access to, you&#8217;re gonna want to fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The existing problems in the wold is mostly caused by big institutions interfering with the free market and peoples liberty, taxes is not the problem but inflation (of the (FIAT) money supply) not  being back t up by real goods with constant value. Gold and silver for example etc. Another problem is concerning big states, unions and banking systems etc etc. We should have federations instead of unions. Let technology make the monetary system redundant over time all by its self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The existing problems in the wold is mostly caused by big institutions interfering with the free market and peoples liberty, taxes is not the problem but inflation (of the (FIAT) money supply) not  being back t up by real goods with constant value. Gold and silver for example etc. Another problem is concerning big states, unions and banking systems etc etc. We should have federations instead of unions. Let technology make the monetary system redundant over time all by its self.</p>
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		<title>By: GDI</title>
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		<dc:creator>GDI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money was and is needed in communist and socialist societies, so the true ideal of communism and/or socialism has never been achieved in reality.  As such, the modern world has used money for exchange of economic activity in all sorts of economic and political systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money was and is needed in communist and socialist societies, so the true ideal of communism and/or socialism has never been achieved in reality.  As such, the modern world has used money for exchange of economic activity in all sorts of economic and political systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, everything is possible, and i believe many things in Star Trek works and maybe someday will come true. However I do not think communism or real socialism is a realistic description of how a society should be organized. Eventually the poor will be richer and the rich porer, if everyone had an replicator (which eventually will be the case I hope) money can still exist maybe not in wool and paper. Somebody has to do the dirty jobs, cleaning plasma conduits for example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, everything is possible, and i believe many things in Star Trek works and maybe someday will come true. However I do not think communism or real socialism is a realistic description of how a society should be organized. Eventually the poor will be richer and the rich porer, if everyone had an replicator (which eventually will be the case I hope) money can still exist maybe not in wool and paper. Somebody has to do the dirty jobs, cleaning plasma conduits for example?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if replicators become avaialbel...all people could get one.

If all people have replicators it wouldnt matter if you were rich or not.
Because cash would become uselss in the counterfiet sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if replicators become avaialbel&#8230;all people could get one.</p>
<p>If all people have replicators it wouldnt matter if you were rich or not.<br />
Because cash would become uselss in the counterfiet sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, our ram &amp; hd space is getting bigger &amp; bigger space in smaller smaller packages..


I remmber spending $3000 for 128k in the early 1980&#039;s.. ram ..
I even remeber spending $8000 for a 10meg HD.

I recently bought 8gig ram for $19.
I recently boguht multi-terrabyte for very little.


Point being,.... dont ever say it cant be done, its only a matter of time.

Even medical and other, we are doing things today in nearly all areass that people of our past would litterally consider us either godlike or sataniclike.

Godlike in that we can save lives that wwas impossible before.
Satanlike in that we are doing today the very things that Hitler himself was trying in the camps (thoguh maybe more humanly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, our ram &amp; hd space is getting bigger &amp; bigger space in smaller smaller packages..</p>
<p>I remmber spending $3000 for 128k in the early 1980&#8242;s.. ram ..<br />
I even remeber spending $8000 for a 10meg HD.</p>
<p>I recently bought 8gig ram for $19.<br />
I recently boguht multi-terrabyte for very little.</p>
<p>Point being,&#8230;. dont ever say it cant be done, its only a matter of time.</p>
<p>Even medical and other, we are doing things today in nearly all areass that people of our past would litterally consider us either godlike or sataniclike.</p>
<p>Godlike in that we can save lives that wwas impossible before.<br />
Satanlike in that we are doing today the very things that Hitler himself was trying in the camps (thoguh maybe more humanly).</p>
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